Jordan Peterson was asked: Do you believe in God? His response

(Justin Brown) #1

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Have you ever wondered whether a scientist can believe in God? While studies have found that scientists tend to be much less religious than the general public, a survey conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & The Press found that just over half of scientists believe in some form of deity or higher power;…

(ACD) #2

“… achievements that science has brought to human civilization may have the inadvertent effect of causing us to neglect the positive role that religion can play.”

This is the great challenge to human civilization: to discover the limits of human understanding and respect them before we destroy ourselves. Meaning doesn’t mean much to the extinct. Humans must learn again to exist in balance with the rest of creation and to resist the Promethean temptations of Victor Frankenstein. Religion is all about a humble human relationship with the eternal. This aspect of human civilization has been dangerously neglected.

(system) #3

(Julian Noel) #4

Hmmmm, this is very interesting territory, and well covered.
God, is simply a word. A troublesome word.
Language and spirituality are not compatible bedfellows. language belongs to science, religion and the western framework of understanding.
Buddhists might ask, “what is there to understand?”
In my opinion western religion and science are one and the same: they are attempts to tabulate and codify existence, they are the fast food of understanding, the Golden Arches and Pizza Hut.
They set about to appease the hunger, and in so doing, breaking things down into bite sized manageable chunks for easier digestion… and like fast food leave you with an uneasy feeling there is a better meal to be had somewhere else… but not on main street.
Personally, I do not seek mental understanding, I use my mind for simpler things, making sure my key fits in the front door and that i remember to take my shopping list to Aldi when i go shopping.
I prefer to focus on awe and beauty as my guides. I relish my unspoken relationship to nature. I do not seek to unravel the mystery of life, rather to be used by it. I love falling into the grandness of the vast night sky.
Humans are vain and self obsessed (including me!). I can no longer see human thinking as the greatest form of intelligence in the universe.
I know I am not necessarily adding to this conversation… apart from offering the viewpoint that both western religion and science are a folly.

(Lucian Boldura) #5

Well, my personal point of view is close to " Why Does Matter Really Matter?
In San Francisco Chronicle April 8, 2019, By Deepak Chopra, MD.

“We live in a world where things aren’t really things, whether we choose to or not.” …
" Below the line the quantum activity continues to generate matter and energy from a source that is neither matter nor energy"

It seems to me that, often, science and theology intersect both in study and explanation, using specific vocabulary, of course.

The Higgs Field discovered 5 years ago seems to be similar to the Holy Spirit, don’t you think?

(Patrick Phelps) #6

Great article! I might add that in my world, religion and spirituality are absolutely not the same thing. As I’ve stated before, I detest organized religions as they truly fulfill the ubiquitous perception that they are designed to make the organization, ergo the leaders, wealthy at the expense of those who belong to it. Spirituality on the other hand is man’s search for, and understanding of his place in the cosmos, his purpose, his role.
I am a Christian, and I never make apologies for being a Christian. In my own way, outside the boundaries of science and religion, I have discovered my purpose and meaning, and in the process I have come to believe that pure science and God are mirror images. After all, God is the author of all the laws and principles in the universe, and not the byproduct of them.
No, I cannot tell you how God came into being. But there is no one to tell me how the singularity came into existence. At that very point science and spirituality are perfectly united…and man is left to determine which path he will take. If the path of scientific knowledge brings one to enlightenment, or if the path of God brings one to enlightenment, should we not all rejoice that we have arrived at the same place?
Science was never “invented” to prove or disprove the existence of God. But as with most things, man’s interference introduced this distraction, and we are left to deal with the aftermath.
My final thought here is this…if ANY organization, religious or scientific, attempts to seduce its followers into worshipping the institution and demands goods from its followers as well as strict adherence to its precepts, it’s probably a great idea to stay away from them.

(Chris Lagos) #7

Thank you for the thought provoking article.
To answer the question, I need to merely point to the most notable scientists and thinkers, Jung , Fenyman , Dostoyevsky, to show that a scientist can certainly believe in God. Jung actually said that " belief is not an adequate word, I know God exists ".

We are born not knowing what gave us our life’s breath.
Still in hubris, we go around labeling things . It’s silly actually but what alternative is there ? Anyhow we dwell at the conscious level and marvel at our ability to take a current activity and find a way to make it easier, more efficient and mastered relatively speaking.
The problem is that we can only like where our ability is relative to where it was. For example, if the smartest man to ever live was tasked with keeping his body alive just by conscious thought, he would surely die within a minute. It is the subconscious that keeps the million balls juggling to keep our body alive, it is the subconscious that governs most of our decisions.
Ask yourself , "what controls what interests me ".
If it isn’t you then what is it and if it isn’t you then you need to exert as much influence as you can to not be a leaf in the wind let’s say. This lends itself to the Greek idea that men are the playthings of the gods.
On a side note , one can say that religion is responsible for atrocity, one can also say that science is more than likely going to kill us all , I mean we’re actually trying to recreate the big bang on a small scale as if we knew what scale it was on. Both are right and wrong and in hubris but again, what choice do we have in fog but to advance . God help us.

(Bill Ames) #8

I have seen this elsewhere. My only point is that it is his belief he is comparing and as belief is flexible it merges very easily with science which are only facts. However it is totally understood that religion can not be factually proved as that would change everything. Can you imagine, in a world where religion was fact no one would pursue science and we would have to believe in our cell phones and microwaves as we would not know anything about their origins.They just appeared under a holiday tree which is celebrated the first of each month. Do not doubt me, in religion anything is possible.

(Bob Copeland) #9

We’re a curious, insecure, adventurous species. Whoever, whatever, God if you prefer, has organized things so that we’re never bored. Panicked maybe but never bored. Mathematic & language has allowed us to reason things, but whether or not they’re right is a matter of experiment (mathematics) or life experience (language). We’ve also been given a brain that interprets our reality, whether it is correct or not (mental illness).

(Bill Ames) #10

You have fallen into the same corner where others live. Who decides what is “correct” or not?

(Patrick Phelps) #11

BillAmes: I would have to point out that very little of science (as an umbrella discipline) is actually factual. Most of what modern day physics is today is based on theory, which as we know is unproven. Don’t get me wrong, the facts that are indeed facts lend credence to many of those theories, but again, they still remain unproven.
As far as living in a world where “religion was fact”, to many that world already exists. For a “scientist”, any belief outside the scientific realm is fantasy. As well, to a “religious” person, anything outside the realm of religion is fantasy. Of course I am speaking of those who are at the far edge of their realms…the ultra religious and the ultra scientific…both camps which refuse to even consider the possibility of something else.

(Lucian Boldura) #13

I find a cogitation that I like very much. It’s about faith. And it seems to me that’s close to your belief :slight_smile:
“The light is reflected by the wall. I choose to pray to the Light, not to the wall.”

(Chris Lagos) #14

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