What do you believe to be true that not many others believe to be true?

(Bob Copeland) #35

There are many levels to “truth” as well as “knowledge”. To add to the fun, in language, the definition of words change.

(paul pellico) #36

never been a fan of the “belief” thing.
it is true or it is false.
perhaps a theory, but it better be based upon a whole hellava lotta data leading one to a temporary position.
but that isn’t a truth.
even marriage is based upon proof of love and is constantly in a condition of uneasiness and in need of confirmation.
otherwise just admit it is a hope, a world based upon probabilities because of past results, not a belief.
unless your belief is really just a hope.

(Bill Ames) #37

There is truth and there is belief. You can not survive in the vacuum of space, that is truth, no matter what you believe. I can believe my lottery ticket will win but the truth is that it will not. If you disagree give me a string of numbers to play so i can prove you wrong. All the things in the universe have no attribute that is a function of how many believe in it, it is what it is, governed by the laws of the universe. We do not know these laws very well but good enough to get the airplanes from LA to Sydney. Or this reply to be presented for you to read.

(Boonn Hem) #38

I think that men AND women should have the option to have multiple spouses. I am not against monogamous relationships BTW.

(Bill Ames) #39

Welcome back, things are too quiet here. Why not have marriages that automatically end after 5 years and must be renewed like some legislation? With multiple ships allowed the spreadsheet industry will greatly expand.

(Chris Lagos) #40

Good question @justinbrown , you might start with your own. I’d say for myself , that I believe the Newtonian view is insufficient to see reality.

(Justin Brown) #41

As far as I understand, quantum physics has demonstrated to a great many people that the Newtonian view is insufficient. People just don’t know what is sufficient to describe reality.

Personally, I believe we need a universal basic income in most (maybe all) societies in the world. I think it will bring out the best in humans, not laziness (which many people believe).

I also believe corporations are modern day forms of tyranny.

(Mel Saint) #42
  1. Obama is the Antichrist
  2. We are in the End Times
  3. Pope Francis is the last pope

(Chris Lagos) #43

I suspect that the Newtonian view is limited because it basically posits that we orient ourselves in the environment, and that the environment is made up of objects to be defined and categorized .
I suspect that when we see , we don’t see objects but tools , affordances and obstacles . We see ourselves moving towards our potential so stick becomes hammer , lever , etc… When we become weary, stump transforms into chair .
Taken further, let’s say I’m driving, I see a yield sign .
What is seen is post, reflective paint on metal with a suggestive directive offered. This view offers a fair amount of resolution to navigate . I suspect that it is not merely what it is, that the sign is also what has been lost due to it’s inception and what has been gained due to its inception (lives saved etc…) the sign is group cooperation paradigm . the view offers a multi-dimensional mapping in real time.

With respect to UBI , I think it will solve problems and create more problems than it solves. Give a kid a toy the eye widens while his expectations meet the object in euphoria, within seconds, it loses its novelty so the kid plays with the box it came in for hours. The box is not merely what it is to the kid but what it can be. A ship, a fort , etc… We see ourselves moving to a potential, psychologically, physiologically. The societal
Paradigm corrals of capitalism, socialism are valid attempts to force our Utopia on others , not only do these things take credit for people’s Utopia from them but steals what they would have become from them .
In a sense they are poisons, fortunately they are poisons that cure each other.

Disclaimer, I write and converse to increase resolution to my views. I’m a bricklayer with a ged. I definitely do not claim to have answers to tough things though I am compelled to try. Thanks for the conversation.

(Chris Lagos) #44

I like the conversation on corporations and Tyranny.
I find it interesting that folks who favor corporations and free market capitalism generally purport to oppose government. Government is what governs us , so to purport that free markets are a cure to tyrannical govt can only be absurd in my view in that they trade a Tyranny of representational govt for a Tyranny of nonrepresentational govt. I do however appreciate the interplay and flux in these struggles.